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that we did at ucla, back in 1988, because of the height difference between michael dukakis, the democratic nominee and george herbert walker bush who is four or five inches taller than him. we to build a bubble in front of the podium for governor dukakis to stand on so he would appear relatively the same height. it is little things like that that we have to deal with. >> tell us about a little thing like that as far as this debate. the podium or the temperature in the room. >> well, you know, we try to keep the temperature at 65 degrees. i always tell my wife and daughters when they come, bring a pashmina because the hall is very, very cold. has to be with the lights and cameras. we try to keep it there. sometimes it varies. the podiums will always be the same size for the men and women who participate in these debates. and so, you know, we sit down, we work with the staff of our professional staff and then they -- each of the candidates also has a staff that is here. we walk them through, showing how things will go. as you know, we'll take both candidates through this afte
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